Nineteen Years Later

epilogue of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

Harry, Ginny, and their children enter Platform Nine and Three-Quarters, where they meet Ron and Hermione’s family. Then as Harry prepares to send Albus off for his first year, Albus asks Harry about his fear that he’ll be in Slytherin. Finally Harry follows the train, waving goodbye, happy to finally be leading the life he’s always dreamed of.

I Want to Go Too, by gerre

Commuters stared curiously at the owls as the family wove its way toward the barrier between platforms nine and ten.

(by gerre)


Nineteen Years Later, by Marta T

“If you’re not in Gryffindor, we’ll disinherit you,” said Ron, “but no pressure….”

(by Marta T)


Draco and Scorpius, by Heather Campbell

Catching Harry’s eye, [Ron] nodded covertly to a point some fifty yards away…. “Look who it is.”
Draco caught sight of Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny staring at him, nodded curtly, and turned away again.


19 Years Later, by FrizzyHermione

“Albus Severus,” Harry said quietly… “you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever knew.”
just say -“
“- then Slytherin House will have gained an excellent student, won’t it? It doesn’t matter to us.”


It Did For Me, by Mudblood428

“But if it matters to you, you’ll be able to choose Gryffindor over Slytherin. The Sorting Hat takes your choice into account.”
“It did for me,” said Harry.


All Was Well, by Cambryn

“He’ll be all right,” murmured Ginny….
“I know he will.”
The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years. All was well.

(by Cambryn)


about the chapter


Full Circle

From the time he was young, all Harry ever dreamed about was having a family; being loved; being normal. And his first trip to Platform Nine and Three-Quarters emphasized the opposite in every way. He stood searching for the platform alone, the only family he had went driving off laughing at him (even though we now know one of them knew how to get on the platform!), and as word spread of who he was, it became clear that Harry was never, ever, going to be normal.
So now, twenty-six years later, it’s fitting that Harry’s story ends in the same place it began, yet with an experience that is every bit the opposite. He’s there with his family and extended family, he’s showing his children how much they are loved, and aside from a few stares here and there, he’s living a totally normal, relatively boring life. And just as Ginny followed the train on Harry’s first journey, laughing and crying and waving, so too does Harry follow it, watching his two oldest children leave home for the fall.
This chapter came under more criticism than probably any other Rowling has written, for all kinds of reasons. But I suspect that as many of the books’ younger fans grow up and have families of their own, regardless of whether they ever come to like the epilogue, they’ll at least come to understand it better. Harry is a true hero in that he only played the part of a dramatic warrior when his world needed him to. But now, nineteen years later, the world doesn’t need that any more; and his role as a hero in this world is much less about drama and courage than it is about simply being a great dad for his children. It’s important to show Harry living in this world, because this is the world he was fighting for. He’s defeated Voldemort in every possible way – because now even the family that Voldemort once took away from him (and the deepest desire of his heart) is exactly what he is giving his children. And for James, Albus, and Lily, that’s as heroic a feat as they could ever possibly want.

The Final Word

“The most noble thing, the real bravery, is to rebuild after a trauma. Some fans were disappointed that after all his adventures, Harry’s greatest concern in the end is whether his son will fit in at Hogwarts. It’s a bittersweet ending. But that’s perfect, because that is what happens to our heroes. We’re human. I kept arguing that ‘love is the most important force, love is the most important force.’ So I wanted to show him loving. Sometimes it’s dramatic: it means you lay down your life. But sometimes it means making sure someone’s trunk is packed and hoping they’ll be O.K. at school.”–J.K. Rowling, December 2007

105 Responses to “Nineteen Years Later”

  1. I can’t believe this is the end… I’ve enjoyed this journey so much. Thank you.

  2. Truly one of my favourite chapters, Harry has finally got all he ever wanted. Love the artwork, can’t believe its the last chapter, Thank you.

  3. Love the epilog. And fun to see the art of the grownup HRH, Ginny, even Draco.

    Thank you for this whole journey, Josie.

  4. Amazing. :) Great website. And honestly it’s a fitting end to the book; who wouldn’t want peace and quiet after all that happened?

  5. This is the happiest chapter for me, because I love seeing Harry as a dad. My parents have always been, and will always be, the most important people in my life.

    I say this every time (but only because it’s true) the artwork is great! I like the one last glimpse of Draco here from Heather, and Cambryn’s “All was well” picture is a wonderful ending to the chapter, the book, and the series. (I’m not the only one who’s going straight to the beginning and starting it all over again, right?)

  6. Wow, I didn’t realize until now that Petunia did know how to get on the platform.
    I understand that Dursleys went out their way many times to make Harry’s life miserable, but to consciously leave an 11-year old at a train station with heavy luggage and with limited contacting opportunities, that is just plain irresponsible. What if something happened to him, the equivalent of UK Social Services would have made a visit to the Dursley residence, the neighbors would have found out, reputation ruined perhaps? I know that their reputation deeply concerned them, so how did they not think of that?

    besides the obvious – isn’t it cruel to leave an 11 year old at a train station full of dangers?

  7. I also love the fact that after years of rivalry and hatred, Harry and Draco assumed a kind of “cold truce”, which is a step up from Harry’s father and Snape.

    “A bad peace is better than a good war”

  8. I really love the epilogue. I’m so glad Harry got his happily ever after. *I* needed him to get it after I thought he had died a couple of chapters ago. The only thing I’m not too keen on are the kids names. I would have loved James, Lily and even Albus to be middle names but not first names. It’s just too much to live up to. I know Harry won’t expect them to be like their namesakes but just imagine being poor Albus at school. His dad is Harry Potter who saved the wizarding world and he is named after one of the greatest wizards who ever lived. I just feel sorry for the kid. If only they had been middle names and had unique first names that were theirs and not passed on from someone else.

  9. @Amy:

    I agree about the names, but I also have to feel sorry for Draco’s son. “Scorpius Hyperion” is quite the name to have to deal with.

  10. Amy, James is already living up to his name :)
    I agree with you though, at first, it gave me an emotional upsurge when I read what their names were. But after rereading the book many times, I start to like how Ron and Hermione named their kids.

  11. The final correction: “Bu if it matters”, theres a T missing.
    Theres so many things unanswered, we dont know what Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny are doing. After all this years do the wizards still call Voldemort as You-Know-Who or they finally accepted to say the name?
    In the picture Draco is SO bald…
    I saw many complaints about the names but they seen normal to me (traditionaly on my parts, at least until a few years ago, a child was named with the names of his/her grand-fathers, now theres more a kind of fashion to use more exotic names), only Severus is a bit misplaced.
    Now that the fat lady had her song it is finally time to congratulate you Josie for all the work on this site. Maybe reviewing the site all over again will be a good idea, after this last book some parts of the older ones might be appreciated under a new light. And also, searching again you may found new images to add to the ones already presented. Keep up the good work.

  12. Sweet Merlin, are we really done? I can’t believe it. I’ve been eagerly awaiting the next chapter since halfway through Sorcerer’s Stone, and this site gave me so much joy since then. Truly, Josie, thank you so much for this.

    In regards to the Epilogue – I’m firmly in the middle in regards to it. Do I think it is the worst ending ever? No. Especially not after I read Mockinjay. Was it poorly written? Yes. I hate to say it, but yes it was. Thing is, Jo said ages ago that she already had the Epilogue written before Sorcerer’s Stone was published. And honestly, it doesn’t look like she edited it at all. It’s honestly very jarring, because over the course of a decade and seven long novels, her writing style has drastically changed. And suddenly, we were back to SS-level writing…which works fine in Book 1, but has no place at the end of Book 7.

    Also, I truly feel that the book would have been better off without it. The last chapter was as satisfying an ending as we could ask for – everything neatly tied up, all the main characters are happy, and Harry finally finds peace. I felt closure after the last chapter, that I simply don’t feel here. The epilogue raises more questions than answers. Whatever happened to all the other characters? Why the blazes is there no mention of Luna at all? Why do we know nothing about anything?

    Honestly, I feel it would have been much better off if the Epilogue was released as a short story after the book came out. It just doesn’t seem to fit here.

  13. Thanks for taking us through such am amazing, illustrated journey with wonderful insights. You did an amazing job, and I’m glad I found this wonderful work that you have done!

  14. hpboy13, it’s interesting that you say the epilogue doesn’t feel edited, because I think the truth is actually the exact opposite. The epilogue that Jo wrote ages ago, from what I understand, was dramatically different – more a laundry list of what happened to all of her characters over the rest of their lives. Here’s a quote about it:

    As originally conceived, the Epilogue pretty much crowbarred in every possible piece of information I could give you about their future lives just because that was where I always knew I was heading. So I knew I had a lot of information and I when I first wrote that all down, that was the point I’m saying it for.

    I heard off the record that Rowling rewrote the epilogue because she and her editors agreed that the original version wasn’t a satisfying literary conclusion to the series. But I don’t know exactly what that means, except that it seems to have changed quite a bit from its original writing.

  15. I always wonder about the conversation Ron and Harry have about passing their driving tests. WHY have they JUST taken their tests? Wouldn’t they have taken them years earlier, even if the majority of the time they used magical means to get around? So okay, let’s say Ron just got his license because it was Rose’s first year at Hogwarts and he would need to get to King’s Cross in a Muggle fashion. Why did Harry wait to get his license, since James already had a year at school? Its’ very perplexing to me and I would love an explanation if you have one.

    Absolutely the BEST website I have ever stumbled upon. I found it one cold day in the winter and read all the entries and most of the comments in one day, although I think you were up to book 4 when I found you, Josie. I adore these books and will absolutely reread the entire series before movie 7.2 comes out in less than a month!

    Thank you, Josie, for all your hard work and amazing ability to find all this artwork. The organizing aspect of this website boggles my mind!! Long Live Harry Potter!

  16. ” I suspect that as many of the books’ younger fans grow up and have families of their own, whether or not they ever like the epilogue, they’ll at least come to understand it better. Harry is a true hero in that he only played the part of a dramatic warrior when his world needed him to. But now, nineteen years later, the world doesn’t need that any more; and his role as a hero in this world is much less about drama and courage than it is about simply being a great dad for his children. It’s important to show Harry living in this world, because this is the world he was fighting for. ‘ –The Harry Potter Companion, June 2011

    Oh, yes. Very true.

    “The most noble thing, the real bravery, is to rebuild after a trauma. …I kept arguing that ‘love is the most important force, love is the most important force.’ So I wanted to show him loving. Sometimes it’s dramatic: it means you lay down your life. But sometimes it means making sure someone’s trunk is packed and hoping they’ll be O.K. at school.”–J.K. Rowling, December 2007

    Also very true. I’m middle-aged, and I can appreciate the “circle of life”, the idea of passing down one’s values and heritage to the next generation. Harry and company inherited a lot of problems and strife from their parents, and of course some form of this cycle will continue on with their children.

    In Marta T’s drawing, Harry reminds me of Christopher Reeve of “Superman” fame–how appropriate! In fact, I’d love it if DH2, aka HP7.2, featured in the epilogue adult actors who have not yet been in the Harry Potter films. Imagine, for example, Pierce Brosnan playing Harry (I know he’s too old now), or even Johnny Depp. Hopefully they won’t age-accelerate the young actors for the final scene. In either case, though, I’m sure I’ll enjoy that scene.

    [Moderated to remove movie spoilers]

  17. I thought it was adorable that Harry and Ginny have their family, and the same with Ron and Hermione. Beautiful end:)

  18. @hpboy13
    I agree with your point that the last chapter would have been an excellent ending, but I disagree that the epilogue is worse: in my opinion they are just different. The last chapter is a terminus ad quem, an ending to which, which nicely wraps up the series. I can understand why you, along with many other fans, would desire that. But from what I know of Rowling, I can understand that she wanted to end the series with a terminus a quo, an ending from which, an ending which is also a beginning, in this case very literally since it is the beginning of Albus’s years at Hogwarts.

  19. “It’s important to show Harry living in this world, because this is the world he was fighting for.”

    @Josie: You certainly know how to tug at heartstrings, don’t you?

    And I leave the Companion for a week to have a baby and come back to the very, very end of the series. Thanks again, Josie, for taking the time to sort through so many pieces of art, and for collaborating with dozens of artists to make them available on one wonderful website.

    Re: Names: In addition to the “next generation” being saddled with such emotionally charged names, I always wondered why it never seemed that Ginny had a lot of say in them. I mean, James is named for his father/grandfather and father’s godfather, Lily is named for her grandmother (and Luna) and Al, while not having any Potter family names, also doesn’t have any Weasley family names. I just think it’s weird that the names are so obviously linked to Harry rather than both parents.

    And, I’ve just got to say it, while reading this chapter, even though I was tearing up and crying, I couldn’t help but laugh out loud when I read that Draco had a receding hairline. :)

  20. This has been so much fun to read. I can’t believe we’ve final reached the end! I do hope you have more to bring us, because I have loved coming to this site hunt for updates :)

  21. @Natalia (and others) re the names of Harry’s kids — it was customary in some Italian-American families to name the children after the grandparents, starting with the father’s parents, then to the mother’s if there were enough children. (Unfortunately, following that custom can make for a lot of same-named cousins running around parties.)

    Not sure how other ethnic groups handle it, except in Judaism I’ve heard it’s traditional to use the first letter of a deceased relative’s name, but not the whole name.

    If anyone knows what JKR’s background is, and if there are naming traditions she is following, that would be interesting.

  22. Thanks for all of this, it’s been wonderful.

  23. Thanks a million Josie for all your hard work! I absolutely loved this entire series. I’m a little surprised that Harry named one of his children after Snape however, I understand that Harry thinks he was one of the bravest wizards he ever knew, but HOW, did he manage to get over how horrible Snapes treatment of him was throughout the entire series. Harry is a better human than me! I couldn’t have done it! Can’t wait to start over!

  24. The thing about these books which kept me thinking about them for so long after they were finished was the fact that so many questions, especially about the wider magical world, were left unanswered in my mind. The epilogue indicates that JKR did not intend this since it seems designed only to close of certain interpretations of the series. It would have been better if there was no epilogue, that way there would be more questions left for the reader to ponder.

  25. Thank you so much for this.

  26. Josie,
    Thanks for this website. It has been a “daily check” for a long time and will sit in my “favorites” bar for a long time. I have always been an epilogue fan whether it is in a movie or a book. It is a way of letting the reader now that the story is about more than what was held between the covers, but really was a movement of a bigger opus. As an older reader, I have sent my children off into the world and realize that no matter what “big moments” I have had in my life, raising good kids and being there for them was really the “big deal”. The I don’t want to let go and then holding onto my wife is something that I can really identify with. Also, I have certainly met school mates 30 years later and it is amazing how you hold onto many of the same feelings about them all those years later. You would think we would get over all that………

  27. I actually cried when I realized Harry had named his son after Snape. It communicated that Harry finally grasped the depth of Snape’s bravery. True, Snape was incredibly flawed, but far from being a coward, he demonstrated extraordinary courage over many years; he was misunderstood and reviled, and at no time could he reveal the truth. As Dumbledore said, the best of Snape was left untold. Naming his son after him was clear evidence that Harry grasped the sacrifice Snape made. For me, it made for a powerful conclusion.

  28. Thank you, Josie… it was wonderfull to read you and re read Harry Potter!

  29. …and Harry is still a muggle with a part of his heart.

    Which wizard has a ordinary car?

    I’m sure, Harry has also a mobile phone and uses it even on his duty.

  30. @Natalia–I completely agree about the names! I’ve never been a big fan of people naming their kids after dead family members, and their kids sounded like their names were entirely Harry’s idea (although I’m certain Ginny thought they were good too). But my first time reading the book, before we knew what Lily’s middle name was, and with the clunkiness and awkwardness of James Sirius and Albus Severus, I half expected Lily’s middle name to be Dobby. Luna is the only name that seems to fit both parents.

    And thank you, Josie! This website has been such a sweet tribute to one of my very favorite parts of childhood (and adulthood…).

  31. It’s so sad to come to the end! My instinct is to say a big thank you to every person who has joined the debate and commented on this board or contributed artwork, but I know that if I began to make a list, I’d leave out someone important. Let’s face it, the most insightful and profound comments of all have come from Josie Kearns herself, so I’m simply going to say thank you, thank you, thank you to Josie for sharing her enthusiasm on the www. This has to be one of the best HP sites ever, and it truly deserves an award from JKR.

    As for the epilogue: I agree that it has reverted to the style of PS. It’s once again about 11-year-olds and not 18-year-olds. It’s about children who will never have to face what their parents faced, and that’s a good thing. It’s about the joy of being ordinary. And is it an anti-climax? Well, it’s interesting that there was once a cyberspace hoax that the final Harry Potter book would be named The Pillar of Storgé, and JKR indignantly rejected a silly name like storgé. But in fact that is precisely what the epilogue is about. We’ve seen some intense acts of sacrificial agapé (divine love) in order to save the world. But the ordinary, everyday face of love is storgé (affection), and that is exactly what has been restored to the world.

    Anna1, there is no particular tradition in Britain to name our children after family members. Parents just choose the names they like thet sound of. JKR implies that pure-blood wizards do use a certain amount of naming-after for their children (all the Weasley children are middle-named after a relative). In Harry’s case, I think the reason his children are named after Potters and not Weasleys is simply that the Potters are dead but not forgotten, but the Weasleys are very much alive and present. British families sometimes prefer not to name our children in ways that will create confusing at family reunions.

    But it’s Rose and Hugo Weasley who are cleverly named. Ron is the “heart” character in the Trio, and the child whose name begins with the same letter is named after the flower that symbolises love. Hermione is the “head” character in the trio, and the child whose name begins with the same letter has a name that means “mind”. This is a clue to the personalities of Rose and Hugo!

  32. I liked the names except for Lily’s I don’t like names where there is a double letter Lily Luna has a weird kind of rythm to it but I can understand why Harry would do it. However, as for family names that Ginny could give her kids. Fred’s name is claimed by George’s son (I always thought that was very sad), Molly is Percy’s daughter I believe, Arthur is an option which I’d like to have seen taken up by one of them Gideon or Fabian would have been nice, didn’t one of them own Harry’s watch? Maybe a tad too obscure. Hugo though is not a name I would choose. At all.

    On the British family naming front I think we tend to have different traditions in each family. In my dad’s the eldest son’s eldest son was always William until my dad broke tradition. (The family tree is terrible to trace as the last name is common as well) His middle name was his maternal grandfathers middle name who died young and that in turn was an old maternal surname we believe. No middle names at all appart from that one. On my mum’ side the eldest daughter always has the middle name Ann or Annie and was called by the nickname Babs reguardless of their actual name (In my grandmother’s case Florence). Second daughter was Lizzie I believe also regardless of actual name.

    I found the discussion about which house Albus would go into an interesting reflection. Harry was able to be there for his son and explain it as his own father was not. Also the hat was apparantly salvageable from it’s time on fire then? I like to think the first few songs afterward were both disgruntled and full of flame related puns. (Hogwarts rising from the ashes…of my brim). I secretly hope Albus would go for Hufflepuff and forge his own path there as James is so obviously a Gryffindor to me. (This coming from a self proclaimed Ravenclaw) Also in my mind there is no doubt that Rose should end up with Scorpius just because can you imagine the family occasions?

  33. I loved that Harry named is second son after Snape. It was a fitting tribute to the “one of the bravest men he ever knew.”

    I like to imagine what it must have been like for the kids when they went to Hogwarts. It must have been rough to be the children of Harry Potter. Were they spoiled? Were they treated differently than the rest? Did they become friends with Scorpius and well as other offspring of the Slytherins? I like how Harry was not concerned about Albus being in Slytherin, that all the houses were united after the war. I also liked when Ginny told James to give their love to Neville and James’ comment ” I can’t say that to Professor Longbottom!”

    Thank you, thank you Josie for your wonderful website. I have enjoyed the journey through the “Companion”. I also enjoyed your essays. The one about Dumbledore in The Sorcerer’s Stone was especially intriguing. Your choice of artwork for the books was very good and featured many of my favorite artists.

    You have helped us to see that Harry Potter is destined to be a classic for many years to come!

  34. Just wanted to contribute and say that in Judaism, it’s actually *forbidden* to name someone after a living relative. So you don’t get Someone the first, second, third etc. But naming after dead relatives is fine.

  35. Regarding the names – if Harry and Ginny ever have a fourth kid, who wants to bet that the kid would be named Dobby Hedwig Potter?

  36. But what about poor old Hagrid – imagine the tears from him if one of their children was named after him (I know Hagrid is his surname ) but Rubeus would have been good!

  37. When i first read through the books completely I liked he ending but after re-reading and re-reading it actually disappointed me that Harry ended up with Ginny; I think its mainly because as I’ve mentioned in a previous comment (near the beginning of book1) I dislike Molly Weasley as a mother, she’s thoughtless and hurtful and despite the fact she has lttle money and seems to love her husband she cares too much about appearences and having a respectful job and therefore ends up belittling her youngest children.

    Its for this reason that I don’t see Harry and Ginny working, she was brought up on stories of Harry Potter by her mother, the happily ever after, she would have and it turned her into a fan girl but as has shown she can also be slightly vindictive (her treatment of Cho etc and her favourite curse being the bat bogey hex which sounds painful). I think she has the same tactless qualities her mother has and I wouldn’t find it difficult to believe that after her normal marriage to Harry she becomes disillusioned (because its not like her mothers stories) and wouldn’t be a faithful wife.

    Sorry to those who like her.

  38. I love the Epilogue – I think there was nothing as rewarding as seeing Harry happy with his family. Actually, if the book had ended at ‘The Flaw in the Plan’, then I would have been disappointed. My only problem with the Epilogue is that it didn’t go on forever. ;)

    I love the names as well. That Harry named his kids after James, Lily, Sirius, Dumbledore and Snape show just how big his heart is, how he hasn’t changed much from the boy who refused to shake Malfoy’s hand and has always stood by his friends, no matter what his society thought of them. That he was able to go past what all of them did at some point in their lives (except for Lily, because James and Sirius, no matter how different afterwards, were bullies at school – just the sort of people Harry hated and made his life miserable, as a wizard and as a Muggle!) and name his children after them shows how remarkable he is.

    Thank you, Josie. I don’t comment (ever!) but now I must say that this has been such a wonderful journey. And as much as it’s always sad to ‘say goodbye’, I guess Jo’s words are fitting here too – all is well. :)

  39. love the artwork though

  40. Too many dead people to honor, there will be enough names for grandkids.

  41. I find it interesting that most everyone here seems to love the Epilogue, given the heavy criticism it’s received. I, too, love the Epilogue; it doesn’t bother me that it’s not packed with information, since Rowling provides it elsewhere. I’ve long been struck by how the adult critics seem to dislike it because it seems to depict the Potters and Weasleys as bland suburban couples and relegates Ginny and Hermione to mommyhood. Of course, we know from the Dursleys what Rowling thinks of suburban life, and we know from other sources that the two women have important working lives–Hermione as a reformer, Ginny as an athlete and sportswriter. Moreover, Harry (and Rowling) makes it clear when he expresses distaste for Percy’s talk of broomstick regulations that he wants family, not work, to be at the heart of this wonderful little set piece.

    But to me, as to others, the true heart of this scene is Harry’s conversation with Albus, which I find profoundly moving, in a way that I think goes to the heart of what Rowling is about. Albus’s fear of being sorted into Slytherin seems trivial. But to an eleven-year-old kid (middle-school age), it encapsulates a deeper fear, that, deprived of the protection and guidance of his parents, he will lose control of his life and fail to be the good person he wishes to become. Harry’s response is right on the money. First, you can be a Slytherin and, like Severus Snape, be heroic; how you’re sorted doesn’t change who you are. Second, you *can* control your life through your choices; if you want to be a Gryffindor, the Sorting Hat will accommodate. Finally, and most importantly, who you are is what you choose to be; yet again, “It is our choices that show what we truly are.” Albus is clearly a wonderful kid (as is the very different James; that in a few short pages we get a sense of these children as vivid personalities is a tribute to Rowling’s oft-maligned writing skills), and Ginny’s right to feel confident that he’ll make those right choices.

    Finally, she’s right because she, Harry, Ron, Hermione, and their vast extended family are wonderful parents. Nearly all the “good” adults in Harry Potter (the Aurors excepted) are primarily either parents or teachers; even Sirius is a proxy parent (if a less than fully competent one), and Remus becomes a (deliriously happy) parent once he surmounts his own self-loathing. It’s striking that the one time Harry successfully casts the Cruciatus curse he targets a Death Eater who spits on a teacher. The most important thing we do, she seems to be telling us grownups, is transmit values. Our primary job is to be nurturing guides for the young. The other stuff just pays the bills.

  42. David, one thing I’ve come to terms with is the fact that my readership isn’t an accurate cross-section of the Potter fandom. I’m not entirely surprised at the popularity of the Epilogue here, especially when you consider what I wrote about it above. ;) I also had a couple of people mention that they were refusing to read this page on the grounds of their fierce opposition to the epilogue’s existence, so that probably skews the comments even more.

    Natalia: Congratulations!! I wondered where you had gone, but such fantastic news. I thought of you and your bet with your husband when I posted this page well before the release of the seventh movie. You should tell him that I was timing it to coincide with PotterMore, rather than the movie. Much more my style. ;)

    And finally, many thanks to everyone for the kind words! I can’t wait for the sequel about Dobby Hedwig Potter….

  43. I thought this ended perfectly. If anyone deserves a few decades of boredom, Harry Potter does. Great series, great site!

  44. Actually, I do think that many fans (not all) have warmed to the Epilogue over time. We’ve come a long way from the time when reviewers routinely dismissed the Epilogue as something *everyone* disliked. Let me add my own thanks, Josie, for hosting a wonderful journey.

  45. Josie, again, thank you for everything. As I said in the comments for The Flaw in the Plan, I don’t like that the epilogue is set in a future that can’t have happened yet. I understand what you said about the dates being arbitrary, but for me they are given nonetheless and as a writer I enjoy it when stories have an internal consistency. As such, I agree that the epilogue was, if not necessary, desirable, but I personally would have set it in 2007 and accepted the limitations that would have put on revelations about the future and Hogwarts being relevant to the kids. Alternatively, I would have set it along the lines of the ending of Scrubs: where the future is envisioned but it’s then made clear that it’s just a possibility, rather than already a reality. As far as the naming of kids after dead relatives goes, it makes me a little uncomfortable, as it doesn’t differentiate between the parent’s memory of the dead person and their living relationship with their child. In my opinion, it’s better to “make a place in your heart” for each of them individually, the living and the dead. I’m fine with the use of dead relatives’ first names as middle names, as long as those middle names, like most middle names, are not a mark of friendly identification. As for why Harry & Ron have only just taken their driving tests, I see two reasons which may overlap between the two characters: 1. Why should they, when they have magic? 2. I’m a 23-year-old Muggle and have been legally able to drive for over six years. But I don’t, and I’m not licensed to. Why? I have neither interest in it nor find it a necessity.

  46. Though I rarely comment I’ve been here since the end of the first book/beginning of the second. I’ve loved all the interesting insights and getting to enjoy Harry in a new way long after the books ended. Thank you so much.

  47. Although Snape is dead, he is still arround by his portrait in the headmasters office. And he will surely learn, that there are new young Weasleys and Potters attending Hogwarts, and that Longbottom, his former “favorite” student, is even professor at Hogwarts. What will he think.

  48. I wonder if Albus Severus would ever “accidentally” see pensieve memories (belonging perhaps to Neville) showing Professor Snape’s treatment of Harry back in the day. If his father hadn’t already explained this part of Snape’s character to him, it might be very confusing to be named after someone you realize you can’t wholly look up to.

    I think I would have been happier with the end of this book had it had a longer denouement (as all of the other books did!) rather than an epilogue. I always prefer when the future is hinted at rather than shown as a done deal. I would have been very happy to get the strong *impression* Harry will have a happy life and have a family with Ginny, and that would have been enough, being able to imagine my own version of what “happy life and family” looks like.

    I do like ending on the Platform though. The main problem I have is the names, I just can’t take them seriously. Poor Albus Severus. My friends and I joke that Ginny must have been asleep when Harry named him. It’s just such an awkward name! At least it can be shortened to Al. I also don’t like that it’s hard for me to see those kids and their names as more than a device to show us how Harry now views his past; it seems unfair to them.

  49. @Marco: what will he think that one of those Potters is partially named after him? I

  50. All was well.

  51. I LOVE the images here. Ginny in the final one looks a bit like Jo.
    (p.s. One of my favourite “takes” on the epilogue is a creative review written by Mark Oshiro in script form after he had reviewed the entire series: it sort of sums up some common criticisms but also pays a beautiful homage. It makes me tear up, just as the images on this site do. Here it is:

  52. @Josie: Thanks! Honestly, I was a little surprised at how much you’d been updating the last few weeks and was trying not to get my hopes up that you’d be finishing all the chapters fairly soon. I’m sure that, once the last movie is released, there will be a few conversations on these last chapters about what was changed and how it affected the story.

    @Marco: I love the idea of Dumbledore’s portrait ribbing Snape’s just a little every time they chat. I don’t think Snape would enjoy it. :)

  53. @hazelwillow: It can be inferred from what I’ve already said, but I feel I have to mention that your second paragraph is effectively channeling my attitude to that trope within all forms of fiction. GMTA? :) Also, it’s just occurred to me: Harry’s second son’s name could be read as “Severely White”. Imagine his teenage years (and perhaps beyond) being subjected to merciless ribbing from his friends on this. It’s easier if you understand “white” as an insult, a la Scrubs.

  54. Ah, those names … ! I’ve also developed a craving for Dobby Hedwig – could she perhaps have a twin sister, Rubea Minerva? – but I think there’s also something of a pattern in the Weasley names. Remember how all Bill’s children get French names, to the extent that we actually don’t know if one of them (Dominique) is a boy or a girl? Neither Ron nor Ginny use wizarding family names either. George has good reason to use Fred, poor chap, but … Roxanne? Percy does use Molly (who deserves an apology/tribute from him if anyone does), but … Lucy? Percy and his missus both have names ending in -y (Percy and Audrey!) so there’s a pattern there; but I think the bigger picture is that Weasleys of that generation let their spouses do the naming.

    As for Harry’s brood, I think James Sirius was pretty inevitable. And I like Albus Severus – those unlikely partners improbably united in a new life – it’s seriously optimistic. Lily Luna? It’s less mismatched than the discordant Ginevra Molly, but only by keeping the original Lily and Luna in mind all the time can I take it seriously. Dr Seuss would have done wonders with it!

    I’d love to know Rose’s and Hugo’s middle names, but then, that’s me for you.

    I do join the others in thanking you most warmly, Josie, for all your hard work: I do hope you manage to write some more character essays, and indeed essays on any topic you can think of, because what you can think of is always worthwhile. And your knack for finding wonderfully insightful art work is too good to waste! See you around, pal.

  55. I’m sure there’s got to be comments about the movie. One scene in the trailer shows Harry grabbing Voldemort and jumping of a bridge, one other shows Harry and Voldemort alone in a fight almost like the one on the graveyard. I wonder what the hell are they doing with the final scenes of the movie…

  56. Jose Lopes, that has been making me quite nervous as well…. the showdown in the Great Hall was a moment I was seriously looking forward to, but I’m scared they’ve completely overblown it (a la Dobby’s death, or the First Task). Guess we’ll see.

  57. Ahhh, Josie… I was so looking forward to seeing all the chapters posted. Now I’m just sad to see it all finished. It’s almost like I just finished reading the final book (again)!

    Thank you so much for all the work you’ve done on this site. There were many details in the books that I just skimmed over, didn’t quite understand, just didn’t think about. Often times these details showed up in “Something you may not have noticed” or another section. Then I had to think about them, and come to certain conclusions I hadn’t thought of before.

    Thank you, too, for the comments section following each chapter. Reading what other people thought of certain events and details also was enlightening.

    That leads me to a huge THANK YOU to all the people who commented on these pages! You were such a huge part of my enjoyment of this website.

    I had finished the whole series before ever finding this website, and read it all a second time before HPB was posted. Now I want to read it a third time, and follow this site chapter by chapter, for even more enjoyment!

    Thanks again, Josie, and everybody who posted a comment here–I love you all!

    Happy reading!

  58. @Deborah Hubbard: Dominique is a girl. In French the male equivalent is Dominic.

  59. That’s my first post here, but I’ve been lurking since May or June 2009, when the companion was in the first chapters of PoA. The first thing I have to say is “Thank you very much, Josie”, this site has been by far the best Harry Potter related site I’ve found.

    @rtozier: I’m french and I can tell you that Dominique (like Claude) is ambiguous and I’ve never seen the name spelled Dominic in French.

  60. I absolutely love this chapter. It makes me so happy because it shows Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny and Draco as adults, yet sad because the series is over!

  61. Deborah, I think if Dobby Hedwig Potter had another sibling, it would be Cedric Mad-Eye Potter! Sounds catchy.

    I agree with you about the Weasleys letting their spouses do all the naming. Were no Weasley names incorporated at all in the new generation? Yes, Fabian and Gideon were honored with Fred and George, but you could have given those names to the new generation as well. And one of those kids better have Arthur at least as a middle name.

    Does anyone else find it odd that none of the Weasley kids ended up having big families? Correct me if I’m wrong, but none of them had more than three kids. Do you think this was intentional on the Weasleys’ part because they didn’t like growing up with such a crowded home? I can understand Ron taking this attitude, and maybe Percy, but what about the rest of them?

  62. @Deborah Hubbard

    Possible explaination for George and Angelina naming theier daughter Roxanne:

    Roxanne is a song from a band named The Police, and maybe George (or Angelina) is a fan of that band. They could have been easily introduced to rockmusic of muggles. ;-)

  63. @hpboy13: I just think that large families are becoming less common. People are getting married later and spacing their kids further apart.

    Personal example: My father is one of nine children, but only one of his sisters had the same number; everyone else had five or fewer. And I, being the eldest of five, was an anomaly among my peers. I got married later than I “planned” and, while I would still love to have 4 – 6 kids, I only just had my first and I’m 27 so we’ll see how that turns out. :)

  64. Wow – This is a hard month for me! We are approaching the last movie and you finished your beautiful study of these brilliant books! Thank you, Josie, for this beautiful and delightful study of the Harry Potter books. They are so much more than just books to me and your wonderful website helped me savor them to the fullest! As I approach my “senior” years, I can attest that when you review life events, you realize that the truly happiest times of your life are when you just had normal and ordinary existence with those that you love the most. And, that is exactly what Harry is experiencing in the epilogue. Normal, boring, hum-drum life with a loving family… is exactly what he has craved his whole life! Thank you, Josie Kearns, for this exquisite website and thank you Jo Rowling for these exquisite books!

  65. @rtozier: Sorry, buddy – Dominic is masculine in English, but Dominique Strauss-Kahn is surely evidence that Dominique’s pretty macho in French …
    @hpboy13: I wondered the same about Weasleys growing up with everything shared, and coming to value smaller families. I think we’re on to something there! And you are certainly on to something with Cedric Mad-Eye Potter. So many names available, and so few children to bear them. It’s sad!

  66. Not sure about “Cedric Mad-Eye”…I mean “Mad-Eye” wasn’t his given name. Maybe “Cedric Alastor”?

  67. @ everyone discussing the choices for names. I found a picture by julvett on the Leaky Cauldron of Ginny telling Hermione why they chose Albus Severus as the poor boy’s name: “The doctor said he’s be made fun of if we named him Alastor-Cedric Fred-Gregorovitch Dobby-Remus, so we went with our second choice.”

  68. Thank you so much for this site. The artwork, the insightful thoughts, pretty much everything is just so amazing. I’m so sad that we’ve finished the 7th book. :(

  69. And so it ends.

    I first came to this site rather late, when the last chapters of Half-Blood Prince (my favourite book out of the entire series, by the way) were being posted.

    The quality of analysis of each HP book has been amazing to read through, and the artwork … just simply fantastic.

    Many thanks for the hours of pleasure that you have given me, Josie Kearns – and, above all, to J.K. Rowling, without whom this world would not exist.

    What next? Well, one can always go to fan-fiction sites for that … :P

  70. @Deborah Hubbard: My father is a French teacher. Dominique Strauss-Kahn is probably an exception; if not, it’s certainly not macho, but would imply total androgyny in either variation.

  71. Thank you, Josie.

    Thank you, artists.

    Thank you, commentators.

    Thank you, J.K. Rowling

    I suppose that’s it, then.

  72. Truly fanatastic read of all books over the last week, i took to long to find this wonderful site, Thank You very much!!

  73. Why didn’t he name his kid Fred?!?!?!?! If harry’s all noble, ron’s kind of insensitive. Or maybe George named his kid Fred……

  74. @Lane: JKR says that George did name his kid Fred. Personally, I wouldn’t have, but then she also said that George and Angelina’s marriage is not entirely emotionally healthy thanks to Fred’s death.

  75. Thank you very much for this wonderful website, the past two years have been amazing :)

  76. I have spent the last 3 hours reading the chapterbychapter of the final book after having stumbledupon the site. I had just finished reading all 7 books this past week. I must say, I am incredibly incredibly disappointed that I discovered this site only now. Overwhelmingly disappointed. Though I am able to read your thoughts, Josie, and other’s comments, I cannot still really contribute to them and expect a reply or really just participate or anticipate. Every so often I think of something that isn’t addressed. However, I am so glad I found it at least and shall go back to read the other chapters.

  77. Thank you for this website, Josie. Though I discovered this just recently, the experience has been amazing for me.

    It’s sad that this is another ending. I’ll probably ask “what’s next” after I watch the last Harry Potter movie. There is still to look forward to but it just isn’t the same thing as waiting for the books to come out while we fans are concocting theories about what will happen in the next books. But all good things must come to an end.

    Although I will never let go of Harry’s world. It was a large part of my childhood. I bet Harry will live on and on and on. :)

  78. Oooooh. I forgot to ask…

    Will you be building a character page for SNAPE soon? :D

  79. Anna, sorry to disappoint you! However, I think you’ll find that many of the comment threads are still ongoing – there’s an option when you leave a reply to “Notify me when follow-up comments are posted” (or something like that, I can’t see it on my versions of the pages). So lots of folks have subscribed and will get e-mails if you comment, and will come back and comment themselves; likewise you can set it up so that you learn when they’ve done so and can continue the conversation as well. The site is still getting 40-50 comments most days (the most it ever has), and they’re spread all over the place. So you haven’t totally missed your chance!

    Oh, and Ruby Chavez – I have to confess that there are so many drawings of Snape that the prospect of building his page is quite daunting. But it will definitely be coming at *some* point.

  80. I grew up looking at (and creating whole worlds from) calendars of artwork from JRR Tolkein’s books. The artwork in them not only inspired ME, but inspired the people who eventually ended up making the movies. Several of the definitive moments from the LOtR movies are reflections coming directly from those 20 year old calendars.
    This website is the 21st century version of those Tolkein calendars. It allows my kids to view the Harry Potter universe in a way altogether different from the movies. We didn’t introduce our oldest kid to this website until he was reading the books himself, and even then he is not allowed to view past where he has read in the books.
    He loves it! Especially the variety. It is awakening a spark in him, a desire to explore his own artistic creativity.
    Thank you for providing this for my family.

  81. Thank you so much. I read every single chapter last night before the midnight premier… Thank you. You have beautifully captured the true beauty of the books (and characters!) through this site. Much love to you. :)

  82. Personally I feel like the names that the Potter children are given are homages to those who have passed on. I have no doubt in my mind that Ginny was just fine with Naming their children after people who were so dear to them in life.

    As for the ending, I think it is perfect. It’s reinvigourating that magical feel of the Harry Potter books, the feeling that anything is possible, and that going to a Wizarding School would be AMAZING and not anything to be feared (any longer). I think this is really the perfect ending.

  83. Sam, thanks SO much for your comment! I’m kind of speechless. And I’m so glad your family has been enjoying the books, and of course the site.

    One word of warning – I designed the site to be read by people who were trying to avoid spoilers, but there are *lots* of spoilers in the comments, so make sure he steers clear of those. :)

  84. Josie I started reading this site relatively late, I think it was the end of book 5. However I just wanted to think you for this wonderful site and all the added depth you have given me. I grew up alongside harry, like many others, and his story ending is bittersweet. The hpcompanion is such a fun way to “connect the dots” throughout the series and I will be referring to it often. Thanks :)

  85. I loved this site, you have so many pics that I had in my head but never found them before in any other site.
    At first I didn’t like the epilogue that much but after giving it some thought, it is fitting, it is perfect. Our hero is grown up man who learn to get past all the rivalities and his only concern is to have a happy and united family.
    I loved that Harry realized that que owns the lilfe he’s living to Albus and especially Severus.

  86. I went to see the movie yesterday. Snape’s best line on the book was’nt there, and that was just one of the many differences to the book :(

  87. I just happened to stumbleupon this site a few weeks ago and I have been reading it voraciously ever since, starting at the very beginning. You brought up so many things I hadn’t even thought to consider, and ultimately made me love the series even more. As for the epilogue, I loved it. I have quite literally grown up with Harry Potter. I read the first book when I was eight, and I just saw the last movie at twenty. To see him happy and grown up is to imagine that I will have that life someday. Thanks for the amazing journey back through the books!

  88. I, too, discovered the site quite late. I love the art work and am working my way through all your comments. Thank you so much for all your hard work

  89. I just want to add my thanks, Josie, for all of your hard work and the hours of enjoyment this site has given me!

  90. I owe Harry Poteer so much. It shaped my childhood and continues to inspire and challenge me today. And after all these years I just have one thing to say…MISCHIEF MANAGED!

  91. I never had any problem with the Harry/Ginny marriage. I always knew he would marry her. After all, he saved her from the dragon, didn’t he, (Chamber of Secrets) and in myth and legend the Hero always marries the Girl He Rescued. (:-) No, it’s the Ron/Hermione marriage I have problems with. She is too clever, too sophisticated for him. I predict divorce when the kids are grown ….. I always assumed it would be Ron not Fred who would be “sacrificed” in the Last Battle and that Hermione, nursing a broken heart, would be an excellent and long lasting spinster headmistress of Hogwarts …. Out reaching Minerva McGonnogal.
    Just shows how wrong you can be …..

  92. Back to Book 1 for me, indeed! Thanks so much, Josie, for all your hard work and the effort you put into this site! This has been one of my best companions throughout my journey into the world of Harry Potter, and it always will be. I bet the family you have created here – a family of true-blue Harry Potter fanatics – would, no doubt, remain intact and would relish the interaction they had with each other for all the days to come. ;)

  93. When I first read the epilogue, I wasn’t a fan. But on subsequent rereads, it’s grown on me. There is one small thing, though, that continues to bother me slightly:

    “Students were hanging from the windows nearest them. A great number of faces, both on the train and off, seemed to be turned toward Harry.

    ‘Why are they all staring?’ demanded Albus as he and Rose craned around to look at the other students.

    ‘Don’t let it worry you,’ said Ron. ‘It’s me. I’m extremely famous.’

    Albus, Rose, Hugo, and Lily laughed.”

    Does that mean the Potter and Weasley children know *nothing* of their famous parents? Because that’s how it reads to me – Albus has no idea why Harry is the center of attention, Ron blows it off with a joke, and everyone laughs, because there’s no way Dad/Uncle Ron could be famous.

    I completely understand wanting to shelter their children from the horrors of war, but to say nothing and send them off to Hogwarts where every single student, staff member, and citizen of Hogsmede knows the story just…doesn’t sit right with me. If I were one of the Potter/Weasley children, I think I’d be angry if I had to hear what happened from a classmate or read it in a textbook.

    All that aside, allow me to join with the others in sending a hearty Congratulations and Thank You to Josie for putting together such a wonderfully brilliant site.

  94. @Heather I think they do know. I think they’ve been brought up on stories of what happened and they’ve almost become like fairy tales to the children. They know he did the things we’ve read about but to them he will always just be their dad who taught them Quidditch and likes to read the newspaper with a cup of hot chocolate and other mundane things. They’re so used to the stories that they have become the norm and they can’t understand why everyone is staring.

    They laughed at what Ron said because they can’t see their dad or uncle as being famous despite the stories they have been told. To them it’s absurd. Once they get to Hogwarts they’ll be inundated with requests to tell classmates what happened. “Is it true your dad, aunt and uncle broke into Gringotts and escaped on a dragon?” “Did you mum really try to steal the sword of Gryffindor from the headmaster’s office?” It’s only then that they’ll realise that not all parents did what the trio and Ginny did.

  95. I was not so impressed by the epilouge at the first read and I still think it’s a bit flawed and too “happily ever after” for my taste. But I do see the sides of it that you bring up here, Josie, and I do think it is a fitting end in some ways, just not in ALL ways. I also suspect that this epilouge will grow on me as I get older and understand the concept of family better. Teenage angst doesn’t really fit with this chapter, eh? ;)

    Even though I’ve been reading through this site before, this is the first time I read the books and followed the chapters here, one by one, as I read. I love how you (and the people commenting) bring up things I never noticed myself and make me see aspects of the story I never concidered before.

    This is also the first time I ever read the books in original language, and it has been quite an expereince for me, who has become so accustomed to them in my own language. (and yes, they are loads better in English, if anyone wonders – though I still think the Swedish covers rule out all other competition).

    I would just like to thank you, Josie, for the incredible amount of work and effort you have put on this site, to the joy of so many readers and visitors. Part of me wants to save every single page on my computer just to be sure this site is never lost ;)
    Thank you.

  96. What’s the significance of “19 years” as opposed to 20 or 18 years for the epilogue?

  97. I can’t believe I’ve just finished this wonderful journey! After following every single chapter of this amazing site, I really have to say something to you, Josie, and that’s THANK YOU!!! Thank you very much for bringing this fantastic artwork, and for all your incredible insights that made me discover a huge amount of new things about my all time favourite series. I felt like re-reading all the books again while exploring the HP Companion (and I think that’s what I’ll do soon!). Thank you for making me see so many things I had never noticed in all the times I read the books and I’d never notice without your help. This is the best Harry Potter site ever! Congratulations from your Brazilian fan! :D Thanks for all, Josie!

  98. I read my first Harry Potter book on my own in 1999, when I was in the 3rd grade. Now, during the winter break of my junior year in college, I am still re-reading. Jo gave my generation especially a reason to love reading, and as a current English and History major my life direction was somewhat shaped by these books. The depth of the writing kept me re-reading all these years, and I think that this website is a real treasure to everyone who was affected by the stories the way I was. Jo, and also you Josie, build an argument for the “worth” of reading–something I have had to defend many times at a large engineering/science based research university. By reading we build our ability to empathize, and recognize the power to imagine a world different–hopefully better–than what we have today. The Harry Potter books give an incredible message for the power of our own agency, especially when that agency is driven by the desire to change the world for the better by means of the positive virtues Harry, Ron and Hermione act on: love, courage, friendship…
    Now, off to continue my mad reading spree. :)

  99. I’ll say this again, you’re brilliant! Thanks for this site, I enjoyed reading all the chapters, they were really interesting.
    Best of luck in your life and keep posting this amazing site, please :)!

  100. My objection is less the content of the epilogue, more that it exists in the first place. I didn’t really want to know what happens next, I wanted to continue the story myself in my mind. And the epilogue took that from me in a sense. I get why she wrote it – it’s like a big fat point at the end of the story. It’s her, as the writer, saying “That’s it!” the same way ACD did when he let Sherlock Holmes die (even though he revived him much later). While I can undestand the urge of a writer for a last act of control over the own story, I dislike what it takes from the reader.

  101. I wonder if marriage vows in the wizarding world are “unbreakable vows” as we never hear of witch/wizards getting divorced, but Blaise’s mum has been married and widowed multiple times, thus she gains their fortunes (OoP). So once married always married. And I wonder what happens to the death eater’s wealth? Does Lucius Malfoy retain his manse and money? What happens to money in the Lestrange’s vaults? Is that given to the ‘state’? Is the money left in Gringott’s? And what happens to Gringott’s after the dragon escapes? Does Harry get to keep his vault and will they ever let HRH come in there again? And do you think Harry, Ron and Hermione do become wealthy?

  102. Cambryn’s All Was Well pic is great! I love the idea that Ginny got short hair. I didn’t really like the way they portrayed her in the epilogue in the movie, but Cambryn’s looks perfect. Also love the picture of the Potter family by gerre at the very top. Gerre is one of my favorite artists here.

  103. very interesting questions Kc. As for the Lestrange’s vaults wouldn’t that depend on Bellatrix’s will? I assume it would all go to Narcissa. I read a fanfic once where HRH were asked to help improve the defences at Gringotts since they were able to do the seemingly impossible and break in. I imagine they would be a little nervous about going back though

  104. Stephanie, “19 yrs” puts James in 7th yr when it’s 25 yrs Later, as he’s hinted at being a 2nd-year. I would have preferred “18 yrs Later”!
    I loved the artwork of this ite. And the discussions.
    Personally, I love the Epilogue because it finally shows Harry having some happiness.
    I love the names, because when I was reading the sixth book I predicted Harry would give his kids the first names of James and Lily.
    As for Ginny not agreeing/ having no input to the boy’s names, she was fond of Sirius. And Severus saved Harry’s life multiple times.
    Thanks Josie, artists & commenters!

  105. I love Marta T.’s picture. It was wonderful. Wasn’t Ginny famous by now as a former Holyhead Harpies vet and sports reporter? Actually HRH and G were all famous.

    Josie, thank you so much for this wonderful wonderful site.

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