Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place

chapter four of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

After being dropped off with Ron and Hermione, Harry greets his friends but then becomes enraged thinking about how he’s been left in the dark all summer. He learns about the Order of the Phoenix, though, which Dumbledore has re-established to combat Voldemort.

12 Grimmauld Place, by MartinTenbones

It was as though an extra house had inflated, pushing those on either side out of the way. Harry gaped at it. The stereo in number eleven thudded on.


The Order of the Phoenix, by TomScribble

“He’s just arrived, the meeting’s started….”


Hermione, by lberghol

“HARRY! Ron, he’s here, Harry’s here! We didn’t hear you arrive! Oh, how are you? Are you all right?”


Harry Sketch 4, by Maria Abagnale

“So why’s Dumbledore been so keen to keep me in the dark? Harry asked…. “Did you – er – bother to ask him at all?”


Hermione and Ron Feel the Sting of Harry's Emotions After Having Been Neglected for Several Weeks, by Drew Graham

“Harry, we’re really sorry!” said Hermione desperately, her eyes now sparkling with tears. “You’re absolutely right, Harry – I’d be furious if it was me!”


Bitter, by Patilda

Harry leaned farther over the banisters. He was very interested in what Snape was doing for the Order of the Phoenix….

(by Patilda)


Sirius's Mother, by Sheena Kristen Sy

The old woman’s face blanched. “Yoooou!” she howled, her eyes popping at the sight of the man. “Blood traitor, abomination, shame of my flesh!”


Sirius and the Curtain, by Tealin Raintree

“I said – shut – UP!” roared the man, and with a stupendous effort he… managed to force the curtains closed again.


I See You've Met My Mother, by Tealin Raintree

Panting slightly and sweeping his long dark hair out of his eyes, Harry’s godfather, Sirius, turned to face him. “Hello, Harry,” he said grimly, “I see you’ve met my mother.”


about the chapter


Something You May Not Have Noticed

Snape is attending this meeting of the Order of the Phoenix, but judging by the “noises of interest and excitement” the other Order members make when they find out he’s present, this seems like it’s probably a less-than-regular occurrence. We’ve already found out that Snape turned spy for Dumbledore prior to Voldemort’s fall, and given the fact that he’s still alive and hasn’t been killed by Voldemort, it’s probably safe to assume he’s still serving in a similar capacity. In other words, he’s almost certainly busy on Voldemort’s business this summer – and his reports at Order meetings must be very interesting indeed.

The Boy Who Lived

I can’t help but feel badly for Ron and Hermione as Harry screams his head off at them. Judging by the looks they’re throwing each other throughout the, er, conversation, it’s probably safe to say they’ve already discussed what his reaction would be like when he finally did turn up. And judging by how quickly Fred, George, and Ginny show up, it’s possible they have partaken in some of the conversations about Harry’s “hot head” as well. Harry likely wasn’t the only one feeling ambivalent about this particular reunion, but it’s a mark of how strong their friendship is for him that Ron and Hermione – as well as the twins and Ginny – bear the brunt of his anger.


J.K. Rowling isn’t at her best when it comes to maths, especially when she needs to bend them to make her story work. In this case, Harry is having a very, very long evening. The sun set while he was still alone at Privet Drive (and it’s summer, so we’re talking a sunset at 8pm or so), and after a fifteen minute wait, a broom flight to London, and an entire Order meeting, the group is only just starting to prepare dinner. Shouldn’t it be about two o’clock in the morning by now, not to mention by the time everyone goes to bed?

Something to Remember

Many jokes have been made about Harry’s seeming to be stuck in CAPSLOCK mode this year, and to be fair, he does have plenty to be angry about (not even taking into account his considerable distress at witnessing Cedric’s death – do they have counselors in the wizarding world?). But as the year goes on, Harry will get hints that there may be other factors contributing to his moods, too – which makes watching his moods very interesting indeed.

The Final Word

“Harry has nominated Ron and Hermione as his family. This is the thing I found interesting… there was something where kids were saying, ‘I don’t understand why he’s shouting at Ron and Hermione, I mean, I’d shout at my parents, I would never shout at my best friends.’ But, he has no one else to shout at. That was interesting from young kids, because I just don’t think they could make that leap of imagination. He’s very alone.”–J.K. Rowling, July 2005

30 Responses to “Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place”

  1. I’m glad you posted another chapter–I figured the delay was due to our thrilling debate on chapter three. :) I hope your wife recovers quickly and make sure to take a lot of pictures of your baby with the grandparents–you’ll cherish those later!

  2. I add my best wishes for your wife’s fast and complete recovery.

    I absolutely love TomScribble’s drawing. I especially like that you can see all of the unspoken interaction between the characters: Snape’s irreproachable posture, Mundungus regarding his pipe more than the meeting, Sirius lounging and watching Snape – everyone’s attention reveals something. It’s incredible.

    I also like “Something You May Not Have Noticed.” If Snape glories in anything, it’s his worth as a spy. In fact, his power has always lain in what he knows, as we find out later that as early as his first year at Hogwarts he’d earned a reputation for his knowledge of advanced spells and the dark arts. Even though he’s not the DA teacher, all the Hogwarts staff knows he’s the expert on dark magic. So, despite being a bitter, often cruel person, he’s respected by the Order (even Sirius acknowledges his value). I can’t see anyone in the Order liking Snape as a person, yet they all *need* him, and he knows that.

  3. er, that was DADA, not DA. Darn acronyms.

  4. First of all, this website is awesome! I’ve really enjoyed it! I always figured that Harry’s night went like this. He left Privet Drive at about eight-ish, takes an hour or two to get to Grimmauld Place (that’s 9 or 10 o’clock), and then an hour meeting. So dinner would be about 10 or 11 o’clock, wouldn’t it?

  5. Roonil Wazlib, thanks for the compliment! And I love the name (nickname?).

    Your schedule may be right, though it’s a bit generous in a couple places I think. But don’t forget the time it takes to prepare dinner, and then everyone sits around chatting, and THEN Sirius talks to Harry about the Order. Even if they start making dinner at 10 or 11, we’re still looking at a pretty ridiculously late night.

    On a fun side note, I use GMail service to get my e-mail from this website, and when I got the notice that you’d posted it offered to add “dinner would be about 10 or” to my Google calendar for 11am on October 24, 2009. A little too smart for its own good, methinks. :)

  6. Hope your wife has a speedy recovery!

    I agree with your point about capslock-Harry. At this point, Harry has every justification to be angry, even without Voldy in his head. Of course, the fact that he takes it out on Ron and Hermione is unfair, but like Jo said, who else has he got? After all Harry’s been through, it’s simply a wonder he didn’t crack sonner than this – the books would have been wholly unrealistic if Harry was quiet and happy all the way throughout.

  7. Ha, ha! Roonil Wazlib is what appears on Ron’s copy of Advanced Potion Making when the Spell-Checking spell on his quill wears off! :D

  8. Roonil Wazlib, I definitely remember – hence my brief joke about it being your nickname (Harry tells Snape it’s his nickname when Snape questions why the name is written on “his” book). :)

  9. In the summer, the sunset in London is closer to 9pm than 8pm. That’s a really late dinner.

  10. Well, considering this chapter takes place after his birthday (I’d say a week into August, or thereabouts), that would put the sunset around 8:30, if not a little earlier. So, even though they’re crammed for time, they do have a little extra. Also, doesn’t Molly say something along the lines of “if you want dinner before midnight,” acknowledging that it’s a rather late meal? (Sorry, not near my books again.)

  11. I love the quote JK gave about Harry Shouting to Hermione and Ron. It gives a very new way of looking at the situation.
    Also, I love that Ginny seems to be the only one to shut him up in these shoutings (also during the Christmas Holiday-I’m getting caught up in the future chapters) :)
    I think the dinner is indeed ridiculously late. My opinion is that everything got a bit delayed, but Molly, being the housewife, refuses to let everyone go off to bed without a decent meal…

  12. 1. Roonil Wazlib is also what ends up writing on his paper when his (well Fred and George’s) quickspell quill wears off. That’s the scene where Ron tells her Hermione he loves her. <3 fangirl moment.
    2. I did envision Hermione as a big sister because she is always so motherly towards Harry, but still a friend to him. Ron, on the other hand, always seemed to be a friend. I don't know why, but I never thought of him as a brother, and definitely not a parent. The piece of info from JKR was a very new way to look at things.
    3. I like kim's explanation of Molly feeding everyone no matter what. Remember in the beginning of HBP when Harry first goes to the Burrow? It's whatever o'clock in the morning and Molly still gets him some stew to eat. I also don't think the ride to Grimmauld Place took that long, but I don't really remember.
    Hmmm… I never noticed the thing about Ginny being the only one to shut Harry up. Maybe Harry and Ginny's relationship wasn't quite as sudden as I thought.

  13. Yeah, Ginny has definitely overcome her shyness towards Harry, and we’ll later learn how and why.

  14. The thing about Hermione being like a big sister to Harry, as indeed he more or less describes her to Ron in DH, makes even more sense when you consider that she’s over 10 months older than he is.

  15. I don’t think she’s necessarily like a big sister, just a sister. I do think Ron is like a brother to him too. Love the trio’s friendship. :)

  16. Oh, and did anyone notice that bit where they enter Grimmauld Place and Harry thinks that their hushed tones feels like they’ve walked into the house of a dying person?

  17. I think its odd that even hermione winces at the name voldemort. I would hink she would find it stupid no one says the name from the beginning. Instead she has to convince herself to say it in the later book. Find just made me laugh ( as things hermione does often do).

  18. @elizabethauthor Yes, I noticed that too. I think it’s mentioned somewhere else on this (incredible) site that it is some immense foreshadowing on JKR’s part as to which character is going to die later on. Keep up the good work Josie, I can’t wait for the rest of DH to be up!

  19. Amy, I agree. When exactly did she have time to acquire the aversion to Voldemort’s name? Harry starts calling Voldemort by his name in front of Hermione in the first book.

  20. **SPOILERS**
    I must have a Horcrux in me or something, but I never found Harry shouting at Ron and Hermione to be unfounded at all. When I read this, I felt just as angry as Harry about what was happening to him. I was right there with him. I loved this scene, and was so upset when they took it out of the film. When I was 15, I never felt any sort of reproach from shouting at people who I felt, at the time, deserved it, friends or not. I’m sure right now Harry would rather be shouting at Dumbledore (which we’ll see later on, and is another one of my favorite scenes), but he’s 15, he has a Horcrux in him, he has no one else to shout at, and he’s mad. Really, really mad. I just never blamed him, or felt bad for Ron and Hermione. Not really.

  21. @Josiah Remember that Hermione first learned about Voldemort by reading The Rise and Fall of the Dark Arts (in Book 1 she mentioned to Harry that she’d read about him, and presumably Voldemort, there). I’m guessing the book kept to the usual superstitions and after a brief introduction (“okay, his name was Voldemort, now let’s never use it again!!!”) used the common He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. The imprint of these books probably passed the fear of his name on to Hermione.

  22. I was just today listening to the audiobook while cleaning the bathroom (it makes it so much more interesting…), and a few new thoughts occurred to me in this chapter.

    About Harry being tailed, it’s one thing to be followed by Mundungus, who Harry hasn’t even met at this point; it really would be a bummer to realize Lupin or Mr. Weasley have been so very close at various times without contacting him or anything.

    On another note, I bet guard duty was very interesting for Lupin. Watching Harry from a distance for hours on end, who looks so much like his father, must have been odd and possibly brought up all kinds of fun but also painful memories.

    Later, Ginny says that Bill doesn’t like Snape either. Kind of makes you wonder why, particularly since Bill generally seems so level-headed, kind and mature, as well as being a model student at Hogwarts…(although his current standing with Fleur, ie giving her private English lessons, seems to be an indication that Bill is still a young man susceptible to boyish characteristics :) ) I’ll be interested to see what Pottermore (and Josie, perhaps, in a character portait) has to say about Bill’s backstory, since he seems like a flawless, beloved brother.

  23. I have always been a bit irritated at people who think Harry is being unfair to Ron and Hermione and being angry all the time… I mean, he has every right in the world to be angry, in my opinion. I would be mad, too, and as JKR states – he has nobody else to shout at. It’s really quite sad, and I think it’s astonishing that readers fail to see that… besides, his mood does have another explanation, too ;)

    Another thing – I love the theme JKR has for the whole of Sirius family, with the stars and astronomy. I’m sure most readers know that Sirius is the brightest star in the sky, and it’s also a part of the zodiac Great Dog. Regulus is another star, and other astronomy-related names are Andromeda, Bellatrix, Arcturus, Pollux and other members of the Black family – not to mention that Grimmauld is a place on the moon. I find this very fascinating :)

  24. I hate to nit-pick and rather feel as though I’m criticizing a work of art
    You certainly don’t have to publish this comment.
    But the phrase “Order of the Phoenix, though, which Dumbledore has established ” might should be “Dumbledore has re-established”

  25. willie, thanks for pointing that out – you definitely shouldn’t feel strange critiquing my writing; with the many thousands of words on this site I’m bound to have made some slip-ups, and I appreciate it when they’re pointed out so I can fix them for future readers!

  26. I just love this quote really explains how Harry felt

  27. I read this chapter WELL before I discovered the fandom, and was shocked to discover the general reaction of “Harry’s acting so ANGSTY, what is wrong with him this year?” I absolutely loved the part where he yells at Ron and Hermione. I didn’t feel bad for them. At all. Before OotP came out, I re-read GoF for a refresher, and the graveyard chapters are, quite honestly, the most terrifying thing I’ve ever read. In just one chapter I was totally sympathizing with Harry’s frustration, and after three, I was waiting for him to snap. I was glad when he snapped. He DESERVED to snap.

  28. The pics by Tealin Raintree are perfect.
    Also, it’s been noted else (chapter-by-chapter on the lexicon I think) that Harry only refrains from snapping at Sirius because Sirius talks first about how cooped up *he’s* feeling, which causes Harry to have a “rush of sympathy” for him. He then talks bracingly to Sirius, trying to bolster his spirits! Typical Harry!

  29. I fully disagree with everyone here about his shouting being justified, it isn’t. If you think it is, then you’re probably a rude, uncouth individual yourself. I got extremely annoyed when he was saying that he did all those things and Ron and Hermione didnt do anything. Thye were with him through most of it, and if it wasn’t for them (especially Hermione) he wouldn’t have been able to do anything. When he was on his own he was just lucky. He should be annoyed but not at Ron and Hermione, that was just a silly teenage hormonal thing to do.

  30. Casey, I hope you are still able to read this two years later. I like your comment above, “… but he’s 15, he has a Horcrux in him, he has no one else to shout at, and he’s mad. Really, really mad. I just never blamed him, or felt bad for Ron and Hermione. Not really.”

    It reminds me of another person, also a scary boyfriend, as JKR said regarding Harry. Lady Caroline Lamb described Lord Byron as “mad, bad, and dangerous to know.” And she was talking about an adult! I agree with your comments. I was right there with Harry, shouting in my mind while Harry WAS SHOUTING ON THE BLASTED PAGE!!!!!

    Yeah, he was mad. He saved his Muggle cousin and himself from dementors in Little Whinging, Surrey (!). He was yelled at for it by his aunt and uncle. He was faced with expulsion for doing the magic while underage, in the open, in a Muggle neighborhood, in the presence of the Muggle he was protecting. He learns after the hearing (nobody expected The Inquisition!), in fact, that the one who made the charge is the same personage who loosed the dementors on him and his cousin in the first place! The one in position to tell him what is going on won’t meet him face to face. Before this, he witnessed the cold-blooded killing of a classmate, and was accused by some of having killed that classmate. He was bled to aid in the bodily return of the one who is the source of this evil. The mother of his friend was the only one he could cry on after all that. And now that mother is telling him it’s dangerous to hear anything? Yeah, he’s angry! He has every stinkin’ reason in the world to be. The only ones he can shout at are his closest friends. What wonderful, wonderful friends. He knows it, too. It’s why he tries all the time to keep them from getting hurt when he faces harm.

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